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Proton Power Amarr Relentless Construction	Posted - 2009.06.10 02:40:00 - [1] Believe it or not, a lot of this is speculation which I filled in gaps, 's are facts, rest is what i feel based on convo's with others. EBANK is going to be upset I am posint this but they have had over 24hrs and some of this happend months ago. This may hurt my reputation, I dont' care investors need to know. EBANK can post what ever, for those I hurt with this I do feel bad, but you have had more than enough time to get this out. 2mths ago give or take - EBANK lost a non secure loan of about 400bil Isk (Tehy forgot to mention it) Assumtption - Ric then started taking isk and doing illegal activities based on ebank was screwed 30ish Hours ago Ric has been banned, hence the do not send more isk EBANK plans on making a post but as everythign does, takes them ages You can all add the rest together with Sel's Post, the fact EBANK has nto posted much in months time now, and what ever else. I am sure this post will tick people off, I will lose investors and bla bla bla. EBANK can figure the rest out, I just dont like knowing somthing like this and not letting others know.
Proton Power Amarr Relentless Construction	Posted - 2009.06.10 02:46:00 - [2] I should not say RIC is banned, that is an assumption for now until I hear him say it.
Proton Power Amarr Relentless Construction	Posted - 2009.06.10 02:50:00 - [3] Originally by: cosmoray 400B non-secured loan is pretty huge. How does someone get 400B unsecured. Ric banned from game or EBANK? My assumption - Game, but this will probably be modded taling about bans so ; /
Proton Power Amarr Relentless Construction	Posted - 2009.06.10 02:56:00 - [4] Originally by: Hexxx There are two distinct and separate issues we're dealing with internally and the entire purpose of us keeping these discussions internal is so that people don't go posting inaccurate information....which you just did. I shouldn't need to lecture you about this and I'm disappointed I even have to respond in this setting. Now; in regards to EBANK, we're working on resolving two different issues. The first we had just about closed the case on when another hit. I'd ask for a little patience as we work to resolve the second issue. We'll be addressing BOTH once we finish the second. That's all I have to say right now about it. Hexx its always patiance with EBANK is my issue. You knew about the loan 2mths ago and have not posted a single word since then. THis you have knownwn about for 24hrs and nothing to say hey dont send in isk other than your channel which what 20people are in? I like you, I like AC, I like LOW who is workign for you but you have not made public for what 1-2mths now as well? You guys dont report which was my issue with you when i worked there.
Proton Power Amarr Relentless Construction	Posted - 2009.06.10 02:58:00 - [5] More fun facts. Ricdic admits it, says he made about 5k off the deal for his family. I am told the ebank ric character may be in the hands of another account now.
Proton Power Amarr Relentless Construction	Posted - 2009.06.10 03:00:00 - [6] New fact, default was 250bil not 400.
Proton Power Amarr Relentless Construction	Posted - 2009.06.10 03:08:00 - [7] Originally by: Brock Nelson Originally by: Proton Power Ricdic admits it, says he made about 5k off the deal for his family. So, was his kid really sick? Cuz if the money goes to his family for the kid, then something good came out of it Yes this I still believe. BTW EBANK does plan on trying to fix this IMO, and RIC is the only one that scammed. I posted this because I felt public should know sooner than later, and 24hrs+ and they wanted another 12-24hrs was to long.
Proton Power Amarr Relentless Construction	Posted - 2009.06.10 03:30:00 - [8] Originally by: Dzil In before the lock. Which I'm guessing will be around page 8 or 9. Based on some of the discussion and sure that this thread has been petitioned to be closed about 30 times now do to its contents, it wont make page 4 is my guess unless ccp just edit the bad stuff.
Proton Power Amarr Relentless Construction	Posted - 2009.06.10 03:33:00 - [9] Originally by: SencneS Woo HOO for rampant speculation. I'd wait for some real notices before people go throwing ideas out etc. 450b, 200b, 250b ban this ban that, LOTS of data!! Maybe people should keep your eyes pealed for the... REAL DETAILS!! <gasp!!> Disclaimer - Since I have an EBANK SencneS character this post was not made as an official of EBANK and should not be take seriously or be held as truth or accurate in any way.. If you would post the facts in a TIMELY manner and not wait and hope for ISD to post somthing then maybe this wouldnt happen? You guys dont even know the facts is my understnading.
Proton Power Amarr Relentless Construction	Posted - 2009.06.10 03:39:00 - [10] Originally by: Packtu'sa Originally by: Proton Power You guys dont even know the facts is my understnading. Apparently you don't know the facts, sir. I do know EBANK should have posted about the default months ago, and that they should have posted about this situation much sooner or somthing so people know whats going on, I mean they do hold what 2trillion+ isk? The facts were not pure concern to me, more of a hey public wake up, demand whats going on or alteast know somthing is going on.
Proton Power Amarr Relentless Construction	Posted - 2009.06.10 04:02:00 - [11] Originally by: James Tundra Edited by: James Tundra on 10/06/2009 03:54:26 I would like to report that Tundra Investment Fund is going to report an extremely significant loss if Ebank defaults, to the tune of our entire deposit of 5.00 isk. This money was placed in EBank permanently in order to generate income through the properties of compound interest. It is estimated the current value of accounts is somewhere near 5.13 isk. I dont think EBANK will default, that was never the intention of this. The intention is to let the public know Ric infact scammed (so dont trust him if he convo's you with some alt) and that EBANK has some major catch up on reporting to do. I feel if they do these, and handle the slight run because of these issues' no matter who posts them, they will live on and prosper.
Proton Power Amarr Relentless Construction	Posted - 2009.06.10 04:10:00 - [12] Originally by: Mroe Bree Originally by: Proton Power I dont think EBANK will default, that was never the intention of this. The intention is to let the public know Ric infact scammed (so dont trust him if he convo's you with some alt) and that EBANK has some major catch up on reporting to do. I feel if they do these, and handle the slight run because of these issues' no matter who posts them, they will live on and prosper. What's stranger is the "social experiment" of Ric's earlier. If he was going to soak ebank, why not try for a REAL scam or ten backed by his soon to be tarnished name? Duno. I'll just munch my popcorn and watch the hysteria from the sidelines. TBH ric could have gotten much much more, as I could have when I was in EBANK, we had to unlock near 500bil in BPO's at one point to move them or somthing, so I don't think his intention was to ever really scam, if it was he could have gotten 3 times what he tells me he got with ease. I think he was put in a hard place with his RL and this was the way out. Not that its an excuse, but tbh if it did trully help him and his family then I would have spent the isk myself to help. This is all speculation btw.
Proton Power Amarr Relentless Construction	Posted - 2009.06.10 05:41:00 - [13] Originally by: Drab Cane In before the lock . . . Just some more speculation - perhaps EBank wants to a) figure out what happened, b) how to fix it, c) get it fixed, d) how to keep it from happening again, and e) how to tie the situation in a tidy knot to explain it all to their customers. All this, before they hold the press conference. Again, this is pure speculation. places more popcorn buy orders in remote vending systems I agree to a point. But you do realize out of the 450-650bil isk that is now gone, over half that happend 2mths ago and they knew about it 2mths ago? Does it really take that long to workout that yoru customer says they are not paying the loan back? If they posted that, if they posted new employee's they have hired without telling people, if they posted other stuff in a timely manner then maybe I could have let this go another 24hrs, but they have not, so I posted this. If you let them go by what you siad above they will never have every single fact, and account for every single isk, which then gives them the right to never post on it which is what has happend in the past.
Proton Power Amarr Relentless Construction	Posted - 2009.06.10 05:44:00 - [14] Addition to above. People are still investing isk into EBANK as we speak, to a character that nobody knows for sure if it will be transfered. EBANK should have at the minimum posted here stating they are nto taking ANY deposits, not jsut there ebank channel which maybe 20 regulars hang out in.
Proton Power Amarr Relentless Construction	Posted - 2009.06.10 10:07:00 - [15] Originally by: Marcus Baltar Another thread where it is making me feel dirty... First, just want to say that I have received the withdrawal request I made yesterday, before all this kicked off, for several billion. Thanks. That said, I will be withdrawing (I hope) the rest until such time as EBANK make an official statement of what has, is and will be happening. Confirmation of this statement by all EBANK directors and employees that this is a true accounting and plan would help to ensure that characters are really behind EBANK. I hope that things are not as bad as is being speculated, but think EBANK might financially recover from even that. However it seems that responsibility to the investors and information dispersal needs to be learnt by one of the bigger "institutions" of MD/Eve. Maybe now MD has such "faith" in audits, EBANK will adopt this and will open itself up to external auditors? I appreciate that it has internal auditors, but they are not much use if they have to secretly resign because of their findings. Sorry Selene, you sound the sort of principled auditor that is needed, but this was spoilt by resigning in secret or not letting the investors know. Thanks to PP for the whistle blowing (I think?). I do hope that you are sure of the facts and, if true, they can not be too "spun", or your reputation may come into question. I am currently not sure if to be surprised, saddened, shocked, upset, angry or resigned as to the recent course MD is taking.... The facts are they had a very large non-collateral loan backout about 2mths ago. I was told it was 250b to 400b depending on who you ask. Eitehr way this was NEVER reported to the public. Ricdic "Claims" to have sold plenty of isk, and scam. This was known now for 36hrs isk and still nto reported on. They have transfered the ebankricdic character the one the isk goes to, to LV, BUT as of right now nobody is sure if it will work is my understanding. The over all is very much correct. ------------------------- I would like to point out again I don't think EBANK is a scam, I think those still running EBANK from my understanding want to do what is right and keep EBANK running. Isk wise I doubt they will have many issues right now getting people withdrawls, there are just way to many inactive people with GOD knows how much isk in EBANK that will never know nor care about this which will help a lot.
Proton Power Amarr Relentless Construction	Posted - 2009.06.10 10:10:00 - [16] Originally by: LaVista Vista Originally by: Marcus Baltar First, just want to say that I have received the withdrawal request I made yesterday, before all this kicked off, for several billion. Thanks. We are still doing withdrawals. So even if you did it today, you should get your ISK Quote: That said, I will be withdrawing (I hope) the rest until such time as EBANK make an official statement of what has, is and will be happening. Confirmation of this statement by all EBANK directors and employees that this is a true accounting and plan would help to ensure that characters are really behind EBANK. Just a matter of time, obviously. I'm sure, if it was possible to do straight away, it would have been done. I will ask the same question to you that I have asked others. Why couldnt the default 2mths ago been told to the public? You guys are missing that this was 2mths ago? Why when this happend could not a small statement saying hey don't send isk, we are working on some issues, more info to come so that people would not still have been sending isk until you are sure you could get the EBANK Ric characters in your hands? If you told the public about the first 250-400b loss that happend 2mths ago, then today all you would be explaininig is 200bil or what ever the true number is that Ric scammed. That is the point I am trying to make to you guys.
Proton Power Amarr Relentless Construction	Posted - 2009.06.10 11:22:00 - [17] Originally by: LaVista Vista Originally by: Proton Power I will ask the same question to you that I have asked others. Why couldnt the default 2mths ago been told to the public? You guys are missing that this was 2mths ago? I'm not responsible in this whole deal. So ask Ricdic about that loan. Quote: Why when this happend could not a small statement saying hey don't send isk, we are working on some issues, more info to come so that people would not still have been sending isk until you are sure you could get the EBANK Ric characters in your hands? Wake up my dear. We already did in 3 places. Ric was in charge of that loan? Funny your own staff is telling me different, and even if he dealt with this loan you all knew it was scammed so why didn't somone else say hey we need to make this public?
Proton Power Amarr Relentless Construction	Posted - 2009.06.10 11:57:00 - [18] Originally by: LaVista Vista Originally by: Proton Power Ric was in charge of that loan? Funny your own staff is telling me different, and even if he dealt with this loan you all knew it was scammed so why didn't somone else say hey we need to make this public? Didn't I make myself clear? I'm not involved with that loan. I hardly know the specific details. You just told me the reason its not reported on is because it has taken you guys 2mths to work it out and just got the answer last week. Now you say you know nohting about it. You cant keep going back and forth which one is it? I was tryign to keep this in our MSN convo BUT you wanted to bring it back here.
Proton Power Amarr Relentless Construction	Posted - 2009.06.10 18:27:00 - [19] Originally by: Mazare Mircea Edited by: Mazare Mircea on 10/06/2009 18:23:39 Originally by: Ray McCormack Originally by: Mazare Mircea I do not want to talk it out with EBANK, i want them to admit responsability, admit a total **up, say what happened, and then get on with it. That will never happen, no organisation or individual would do that. It is in their own interest to spin it as best they can. Have the strength to accept what you cannot change. Although some of what you ask has been done, to a far greater extent than I would have expected. By all rights they should not even be discussing Ricdic and face consequences for doing so. And just because it is common practice, i should accept it ? Originally by:** Amarr Citizen 155 Originally by: Mazare Mircea Sure nobody was forcing their arm to disclose it. But now it is disclosed, there is strong suspicion that it was a 'special' loan. it's their choice not to disclose it. It is also my choice and that of many others to continue to beat this dead horse untill it becomes horse-burgers so that they don't think they could get away with this in the future. All you have to do in the end is to make them lose lots of credibility for operations such as these, and thank CCP this is a free forum that allows one to do such a thing. Well as Ray reminded me, there is no "class" when it comes to these things and lots and lots of mindless idiots that think they have everything figured out. Let's change the loan amount to 500b, i like the sound of it and we obviously don't have to use the real amount that has already been identified. 650b sounds even better, don't you think ? Also, it makes for better PR not to time your responses with Ray's, or to use a more friendly language. Idiots like me feel insulted when they are called idiots for questioning the practices of the ppl they trust with their money after all. Do you really view EBANK investors as idiots ? I think I am the only person they consider an idiot atm mate no worries there.
Proton Power Amarr Relentless Construction	Posted - 2009.06.10 18:47:00 - [20] Originally by: Block Ukx Originally by: Mazare Mircea ... feel insulted when they are called idiots for questioning the practices of the ppl they trust with their money after all. Do you really view EBANK investors as idiots ? I believe you are wrong. EBANK has made it extremely clear that they are not a publicly traded institution. They are a private bank where customers deposit money in hopes to get re-paid when they withdraw. The have said repeatedly that they will not provide any internal audits, loan information, or any internal data. Anyone that deposits money in the bank is indirectly accepting these terms. They are not getting away with any wrong doing as their intentions have been clear from the get go. Your angry at them for not disclosing this information is not justify. The only thing they are liable for are deposits made to EBANK Ricdic, which should be easily resolved by providing your API key to EBANK, or a third party. PP, I hope you donÆt get mad at me for saying this, but in this case you over step the boundary. All information you learn while being a member of the board of directors regarding EBANKÆs operation should have remained undisclosed. IÆm not trying to defend EBANK. I think EBANK has always have issues when it comes to accounting. I have never seen a proper audit done on the bank, and the last internal auditor quit before finishing the audit. That to me is a big red flag. The only thing customers can do is ask the bank to provide reports or remove their ISK from EBANK. Trying to dirty their name because you donÆt agree with their policy is not the right thing to do. The loan issue was not when i was a BOD. I found out through other means, then put a few things together. Same as the scam. And again my issue is the reporting time. If they let MD know asap about the scam and to stop depositing isk I would have never been involved in the first place. I should have not had to be the one to post on this matter first, not when EBANK knew well well before I did.
Proton Power Amarr Relentless Construction	Posted - 2009.06.10 18:52:00 - [21] Originally by: Ray McCormack Originally by: Proton Power If they let MD know asap about the scam and to stop depositing isk I would have never been involved in the first place. I'm sure they all accept and realise this now - covering it up poorly with a database problem was a mistake. CCP suffered the same issue when closing down ISD and claiming other reasons. Thats the issue Ray, talking with them on MSN and such they still don't think they did anything wrong, that everyone else is in the wrong. Atleast that is my take on it.
Proton Power Amarr Relentless Construction	Posted - 2009.06.10 18:57:00 - [22] Originally by: Ray McCormack Originally by: LaVista Vista Originally by: Ray McCormack I'm sure they all accept and realise this now - covering it up poorly with a database problem was a mistake. We had database issues, due to the fact that the character got banned. LV, that's not a database issue. If you worked for me and said that I would kick you in the balls. As I said Ray they still didnt learn from this.
Proton Power Amarr Relentless Construction	Posted - 2009.06.10 19:05:00 - [23] Originally by: Roemy Schneider ah good to see PP is still active <3 Long Long time no see mate :)
Proton Power Amarr Relentless Construction	Posted - 2009.06.10 19:30:00 - [24] Originally by: LaVista Vista Originally by: Mazare Mircea Originally by: LaVista Vista Quote: No MD thread started with a warning, and the database error was just lol. What's the use of putting 'don't send isk to EBANK Ricdic' in a MOTD that only 10-20 ppl read ? You don't realize that we also put it on our frontpage, as well as in the MOTD in the SCC lounge. Pretty sure more ppl check MD than your site and the SCC lounge. Majority of our customers don't read the forums. Can you let me know were this fact is coming from? I know when I was in EBANK this was not the case, but I would like to see stats since your stating they are not from the MD community.
Proton Power Amarr Relentless Construction	Posted - 2009.06.10 19:35:00 - [25] Originally by: LaVista Vista Originally by: Proton Power Can you let me know were this fact is coming from? I know when I was in EBANK this was not the case, but I would like to see stats since your stating they are not from the MD community. Can you prove it? I can only speak from the experience I have from talking with EBANK customers. And I have talked to a lot of them, the last 2 years. No I can't but I am not saying all your customers come from a source or not a source. EBANK should have used all means possible to let people know. You didn't that I can prove. I even told you to do so, and instead I was told know your waiting for ISD to report it for you.
Proton Power Amarr Relentless Construction	Posted - 2009.06.10 19:40:00 - [26] Originally by: Hexxx Originally by: Proton Power Originally by: LaVista Vista Originally by: Proton Power Can you let me know were this fact is coming from? I know when I was in EBANK this was not the case, but I would like to see stats since your stating they are not from the MD community. Can you prove it? I can only speak from the experience I have from talking with EBANK customers. And I have talked to a lot of them, the last 2 years. No I can't but I am not saying all your customers come from a source or not a source. EBANK should have used all means possible to let people know. You didn't that I can prove. I even told you to do so, and instead I was told know your waiting for ISD to report it for you. Let me list the ways we've contacted customers: - an ISD report that every player sees logging in today with a link to our thread - mass emails to customers with emails on file for the main website - mass emails to customers/participants with emails on file for our forums - massively.com has posted an article on it - market discussion forums - messages on our IG channel and our website which instruct people not to deposit Did I miss anything? It was to late then Hexxx, you didnt do most of that until I made it public. All I wanted was a post here stating to not deposti isk to ricdic, you guys refused to do so. Now that I brought it to light you guys are working overtime on the notificaiton, which is great, but it should not have taken 30hrs to start.
Proton Power Amarr Relentless Construction	Posted - 2009.06.10 19:50:00 - [27] Originally by: Selene D'Celeste Edited by: Selene D''Celeste on 10/06/2009 19:46:37 Originally by: Proton Power Now that I brought it to light you guys are working overtime on the notificaiton, which is great, but it should not have taken 30hrs to start. Pardoning the forums, most of what has been listed happened within hours from what I could tell, much less than 30, pardoning a forum post. If that's all you have to justify yourself with, you really should just stop. Edit: damn typos. It happend the night before yesterday my time, that is now about 36ish hours ago. Don't believe me the ingame EBANK channel was changed the morning after DT Yesterday, ask any of the regulars. I also have it on MSN that 2 people in EBANK new about it 23hrs prior to me talking to them. Nothing was put out other than data base errors for the first 24hrs, I then made a post, then 7ish hours later more posts were made and emails sent.

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